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Jesus’  Biblical ‘timeline’ for ‘the gathering of the saints’ - Before, Mid, or After the great tribulation?

In the context of all Scripture, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus first came as the saving, redeeming Savior.  Then, Jesus will come a second time as the conquering Lion of Judah to take His body of true believers to heaven, and simultaneously bring the whole disobedient world under His control. 

This will happen in That Day when “the seventh angel sounds and there are loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have [now] become the kingdoms of our Lord Jesus Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!’”  (Rev.11:15.) 

Þ Truthfully, the doctrine/idea/notion of ‘the rapture’ before or during the Great Tribulation is not Scriptural at all.  Here is what true Scripture say about all this: 

¨ Before the debate over the ‘rapture’ doctrine began, Jesus’ return for His Scripturally and personally born again, obedient children was a once-off return known as ‘the gathering of the saints.’  - (Mt. 24:29 – Mt. 25:45; Mark Chapter 13, Lu. 21:20-36;  Rev. 19, 1 Ths. 4:14-18.) 

¨ The Lord Jesus Himself clearly prophesied in Mark 13:14-37, “...But in those days, after that tribulation… they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.  And then He will send His angels and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of the earth to the farthest part of heaven…” 

¨ Mt. 24:15-44; 25:46-31 concur with this exactly. Verses 29-31, “Immediately after the [great] tribulation of those days… the sign of the son of Man will appear in heaven…  And He will send His angels with the great sound of [the last or seventh] trumpet, and they will gather together His elect…  (1 Ths. 4:16.  Mt. 24:40,) Then two men will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left…  [or given over to the destruction of everyone and everything on earth, 2 Pt. 3:10-14.]  Then the kingdom of heaven, (not the kingdom of God inside true believers,) shall be likened to 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom…” 

¨ Rev. 19:1-9, ‘After these things…  [the seven scales, seven bowls and six trumpet judgments, with the sound of the seventh trumpet,] I heard the voice of a great multitude… saying, “Alleluia!... for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready…  Blessed are those who are called to the Marriage supper of the Lamb!” (1 Ths. 4:16.) 

¨ Lu. 21:5-36, [After all these sorrows or tribulations described from verse 5, Jesus said in verse 27,] then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory…”   


The Jesuit “One-Man Antichrist” Versus Real Old and New Testament Prophecy and the Undeniable Facts of Recent History 

We have seen in the study on international masonic orders that the ways in which global masonic orders planned and shaped the course of history through European imperialism, communist revolution and constant world war, fit snugly into the context of real Scriptural prophecy — especially Jesus’ own prophesies in Matthew Chapter 24 and elsewhere in the Gospels. 

Þ  It is therefore impossible that ‘the antichrist’ consists of only four physical men, (i.e. Nero, Alexander the Great, Hitler - and ‘one man’ who will supposedly rule the whole world for the “last three or seven years before Jesus’ visible return.”)   At least two of these men were definitely not living in the end of the end-times.  According to the full context of the Bible, and political and church history, the four ‘beasts’ or “antichrists” of Dan. 7-9 and Rev. 13 are actually global, masonic inspired political spirits, guided by four interacting political philosophies, which revealed themselves through their typical insignia and global military strategies during the last three centuries.  The first beast from the [political] sea was the Dragon-like Lion is Britain’s insignia and that of her American and European, One-World Government allies.  The Bear is the spirit of global Russian-Zionist, Communist imperialism.  The Leopard embodies all four spirits in the huge end-time manifestation of HumanismThis beast from the sea came to life through the global liberation of the Imperialist Lion’s (American, European and other) slaves from Africa.  And the dragon-like beast from the East, which provides the entire leopard-like beast as described above, with economic power and, under control of the upcoming “Little Horn,” or the controlling religion behind the long-aspired, socialist, One-World Government of our time.  While all these political prophesies were, and are being fulfilled before our eyes, the religious “beast from the earth,” (false christs with their false ‘anointing’ and seemingly countless doctrines of devils,) are controlling the entire Christendom under the ecumenism, or denominational unity of the Roman Catholic Church, (Rev. 13:11-18.) 


What do the context of Real Scripture and Recent History say about the great tribulation and “the little horn,” or as Charismatics see it, “the one-man antichrist?”  

If the ‘church’ is going to be “raptured before, or in the middle of the great tribulation,” why would “the Great Tribulation be shortened” for the sake of the true, Scriptural saints - and why would Jesus warn us so sternly not to run after false teachers and prophets with their signs, miracles and wonders, which coincide with the end of the Great Tribulation, according to the context of Jesus’ own prophesies?  God commanded in Dan. 12:4, “...Seal the [visions] until the time of the end;  [when] many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase [like it did since the 20th century.]” 

The Scriptural context of “the Great Tribulation” is most important.  In Mt. 24:1-35, Jesus’ disciples asked when the end will come and what the signs of the end will be.  Jesus answered, “(Mt. 24:11,) Take heed, [be careful; watch out,] that no one deceives you.  For many will come in My Name, [from within the midst of Jesus’ true believers,] saying, “I am the christ,” [Charismatics say they are christs and gods,] and will deceive many…  Then,  many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. [This is already being fulfilled in the extremely unscriptural practices of the Charismatic Movement and through their global school of prophecy, headed by Top Prophet Rick Joyner, a Roman-Catholic-Jesuit Knight of Malta.] 

“And because lawlessness abounds, [great disobedience to the truth of Scripture, which Jesus warned about in Mt. 7:21-24, Jesus will say to them, “...Depart from Me, you [do false signs and wonders by practicing lawlessness…”] the love of many will grow cold [and they will fall away from the faith.]  But he who endures [in Scriptural truth] until the end, [when he dies or when Jesus returns,] will be saved. [The once-saved-always-saved doctrine is a deception.]  And the Gospel of the [spiritual] Kingdom will be preached in all the world, [until now, only Catholicism, Protestantism and every other –ism was preached, but the Real Truth of Jesus is eventually flowing to every nation on earth via the internet, etc.,] and then [as it is now during out time,] the end will come. 

“Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, [utter destruction of God’s truth: the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus,] spoken of by Daniel, [this is not the one-man antichrist sitting in a so-called rebuilt temple in Jerusalem; it is destruction from within the body of Christ,] standing in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him [truly] understand,) [this is the spiritual Kingdom and holy place or New Testament/Covenant temple of the Holy Spirit, the true believers of Jesus, and this desolation is among this true body of Christ through all these guiding false prophets and teachers,] then let those who are in Judea...  [in New Testament terms, their well-known, physical church systems,] flee to the mountains, [a flight from total ruin in the church systems to the true presence of God Himself through the truth of His Word and His real Holy Spirit power, [flee with such haste that] he, who is on the housetop, [most likely busy declaring the true Gospel from ‘housetops’ or in public through the media,] must not go down to take anything out of his house, [not be swayed from his calling by being distracted by physical needs.]  And let him who is in the field, [sowing and planting the Real Word of God,] not go back to get his clothes, [not return to legalism or former beliefs…]  And unless those days were shortened, [why would they be shortened if there will be a “rapture” before all this happens,] no flesh will be saved, [because of the severity of countless spiritual, emotional, and physical onslaughts on believers and all humanity.]  

“Then, If anyone says to you: ‘Look here is the christ!’ do not believe it. [Charismatics say they are christs and gods as “manifestations of God in the flesh.”]  For false christs and prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, [even the believers.]  (Verse 28-29,)

“Immediately after [this] tribulation… [not before this tribulation, Jesus will return on the clouds…]”  Verse 36, “But of that day and hour no one knows… For as in the days before the flood, [everyone was carrying on in sin] until the flood came and took them away, so [unexpectedly] will the coming of [Jesus] be. 

Then two will be in die field [or at the grinding stone, busy with their work:] one will be taken [at His return] and one will be [left to destruction with the unbelieving world,] (2 Pt. 3:10-14, 2 Ths. 1:7-12.) 


Jesus said in Mt. 24:6-8, when the following global catastrophes began to happen, it will be “the beginning of sorrows”   

Most believers in first world countries only “heard rumors of war” while those who have endured in faith through about three centuries of colonialism, two world wars and global communist expansion with its utter mayhem and destruction, know all about the continual Great Tribulation, (Mt. 24:11-14; 15-44). 

¨ Seen in the context of the entire New Testament, Jesus did not speak of a ‘lesser’ and a ‘greater’ tribulation, but of a continual, escalating period of tribulation that began after His ascension, as history, (the last two to three hundred years especially,) has proven beyond a shadow of doubt!  Mt. 24:1-27, “Then Jesus went out and departed from the [Old Testament temple with its outdated, old ceremonial and national covenant, (Heb. 7:4-28;  Chapters 7-10,] and He said to them, ‘Assuredly, not one stone [of this physical temple] shall be left here upon another that shall not be thrown down… [The physical temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., but Jesus was not merely referring to the temple itself.  He actually said He was ousting the entire Judaist structure with its entire Old Testament covenant and physical priesthood, (Heb. 7:4-28; Chapters 7-9.)] 

¨ Deception rules our end time, just as Jesus warned in Mt. chapter 24 and through New Testament Scripture.  The idolatrous The Roman Catholic Church, the ‘mother’ of all church systems, began shortly after Jesus ascended to heaven.  She spawned her many Protestant daughters during the 16th century Reformation, (Dutch Reformed and other CalvinismLutheranism, Presbyterian, etc. churches.)  However, she birthed most of her great masonic schisms during the 19th century.  They proliferated during the 20th century and are growing madly in our 21st century.  For instance, Edward Irving’s Catholic Apostolic Church was founded in 1831 and the Old Apostolic Church in 1832Mason Joseph Smith’s founded Mormonism in 1820, (which produced the Church of the Latter-Day Saints and her modern daughters, such as the Pentecostal Movement in 1901, and the Charismatic Movement in 1960.  The Seventh Day Adventists made the Saturday Sabbath their savior in 1844.  Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Rutherford put the  Jehovah’s Witness Society together in 1870.  Messianic Judaism escalated since the 1960’s.  William Branham’s Jesus Only tabernacles began in 1933.  Armstrong conjured up the Worldwide Church of God in 1934.  Jim Jones planned his cult murder in 1951 and David Koresh of The Branch Dividian did the same in 1955...  It seems that since the 19th century, a dangerous, unscriptural cult is born every few years and now, it seems deception is even in the air we breathe. 


Jesus continued to warn us about the political world, And [during this time of deception,] you will hear of wars… for nation will rise against nation…  There will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes…  All these are the beginning of sorrows… [or tribulation.]”  

¨ These sorrows or tribulation escalated immensely in magnitude and intensity since incomprehensibly cruel and bloodthirsty masonic/communist revolutions began in Britain (1683,) engulfed America (1774,) France (1789,) Haiti (1791,) Taiping (1851,) Iraq, (1878) Turkey (1908,) Russia (1917,) swelling tremendously through the whole of Eastern Europe and the rest of the world during and after Two 20th century World Wars.  Communist revolution and control continued through the entire 20th century in Cuba, (1952 –2016,) and Asia, (1911-1976, with an estimated 60 million people brutally murdered by China’s communist dictators alone.)  From there, it spread across the entire African continent, the Americas, crossed the whole world — and the ravenous Red Bear of communism is still keeping up its destructive march to this day, just look at what is happening in and around the Middle East and Europe

Þ “Then, [through religious persecution, which began way back during the Roman Catholic and Calvinist/Protestant Inquisitions in the Dark and Middle Ages and still escalates in our day,] they will deliver you up to the tribulation and kill you...”  One example of such murder in modern times is Islam, which beheads non-Muslim people  without any United Nations consequence, (Rev. 20:4.)  True believers will always pay the highest price because of Jesus’ truth; they can never escape persecution!  



Sadly, the popular doctrine surrounding Armageddon has also been made into a false doctrine to fit into the many other false doctrines we have been discussing in this study.  The Book of Revelation, as all the other prophetic Books, speaks in parables, using spiritual visions, allegories/metaphors and symbols to illustrate what will be going on in the spirit world before and during a specific time when God’s final war and work are manifested on the earth.  

¨ Scripture does not tell us that Armageddon will be the ‘third’ coming of Jesus on the white horse, “His eyes like a flame…” to conquer and judge the unbelieving world and to take ‘those who were left behind,’ (Rev. 11:15; 19:11-21.) 

¨ In the context of the New Testament, Rev. 19:11-21 is a metaphor of the avenging, judging Jesus.  It describes how, for all unbelievers and for all disobedient Christians too, at the sound of the seventh trumpet, “the Lord is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, AND on those who do not OBEY the [true] Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ... when He comes, in That Day, [singular] to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe…”  (2 Ths. 1:5-10; 1 Ths. 4:16-18.) 

¨ This is a short but apt description of The Gathering of the Saints and Armageddon on That One Day

¨ What we read in this verse and in and all relating verses and passages, is the true context of Armageddon and of all other end of the end-time prophesies.  This is how Paul, Peter, and John interpreted Jesus’ prophesies concerning His return [singular] in That Day, to call and take His true disciples from the earth and simultaneously, to judge both disobedient Christians and all other unbelievers on earth. 



There will be a time during the end of the Great Tribulation, and we all believe it will be shortly, when the entire world (Christians and true believers included) will have to bow before the Global Antichrist Government and accept its “666” to be able to buy and sell,” (or earn a living,) or be beheaded and starved to death, (Rev. 13:7-18.)  In this and all other relating passages, the “saints” or sincere, obedient, Scripturally born again disciples of Christ are included in the suffering of the Great [escalating, worldwide] Tribulation. 

In the context of all Scripture, Rev. 13:7 proclaims, “It was granted to [the One-World Government] to make war with the saints and to [physically] overcome them.  [In conjunction,] authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.  [The masonic One World Order or global communist imperialism IS the worship of dictators] and all who dwell on the earth will worship him, [except those who refuse to sell their eternal souls to the One World Government,] because their names have been written in the book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world…  Here is the patience and the faith of the [true] saints.”   



Jesus bought the ‘living stones’ of His spiritual New Testament, Holy-Spirit indwelt temple from “every tribe, and tongue, and nation,” INCLUDING from the descendants of the Old Hebrew nation, who now call themselves “Jews.”   Neither Jews nor Gentiles, (believers from all non-Jewish nations,) come to the Father except through personal faith in and acceptance of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, (Jn.  14:6; 15:6.)  God will never change His Word and New Testament Covenant in Christ for anyone. 

¨ God will never return the second, (New Testament,) GLOBAL, spiritual temple of Jesus’ body of true believers to the physical Old Testament temple with its Old Testament covenant, which was “done away with” to establish God’s everlasting New Testament Covenant in Christ.  [Acts 7:48; 17:24; Hebrews Chapters 7-10, ETC.] 

¨ If God were to restore the physical Old Testament temple, (which pertains to the Old Testament covenant with its animal blood sacrifice, etc.,) Christ has died in vain, (Gal. 2:20.) If God intends to save the Jews through the Old Testament Covenant without personal faith in, acceptance of and OBEDIENCE to the Lord Jesus Christ, why did He annul and destroy the first covenant to build the everlasting spiritual temple of sincere believers in Christ? 

¨ According to the truth of the entire New Covenant in Christ, Scripture declares that, during the New Testament dispensation, God does not have the ‘restoration’ of any physical country or city in mind.  The ‘Restoration’ of Israel (just as the ‘restoration’ of his fallen, sin-riddled world) is a staunch Jehovah’s Witness doctrine, which also misleads most other churches caught in this deadly Kingdom Now doctrine.  The entire New Testament teaches that “the whole world is under the deception or ‘sway’ of the evil one” and all those who do not truly repent in Christ are destined for the fire, not a ‘better’ earth in the here and now, (1 Jn. 5:19; 2 Pt. 3:7-14.

¨ The only Jerusalem, which true children of God are supposed to focus on, is the following, “[All Jesus’ real disciples, who] died in faith, not having received the promises, confessed that they are strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a [spiritual] homeland, [and not a physical heaven on earth.]  And truly, if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, [a physical land,] they would have had opportunity to return.  But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country…  Therefore, God had prepared a [spiritual] city for them. [As Abraham, (Heb. 11:10; 13-16,)] they waited for the city which has [spiritual] foundations, Whose Builder and Maker is God…” (Heb. 12:22.)  For all Scripturally born again disciples of Christ “have come to [the spiritual] Mount Zion and to the [spiritual] city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn, who are registered in heaven, [in the Lamb’s Book of Life,] to God the Judge of all, to the [human] spirits of just people made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the New Covenant, and to His blood… that speaks better things than that of [Old Testament/Covenant] Abel.”  



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